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PostSubject: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:30 pm

i've ran a few human clerics up to level 20, and i'm trying to improve the caster/healbot for epic elites. my current cleric has 30 charisma which (with two levels of paladin) is +11 to saves...+10 from charisma and +1 from paladin aura. that will make a difference in epic elite. the -2 spell penetration shouldn't make that big of a difference in epic hard, and in epic elite i wouldn't be imploding very much without a bunch of favoured soul/wizard past lives. 18 levels of cleric gets you 2 slots for mass heal and implosion/energy drain. the saves are a big boost and only negative is capstone (which i've never used) and a couple of spell points and level 9 slots. another (unintended) bonus is that PUGs will think you're a battle cleric and immediately hate you Smile i think the extra feat (from human) and the extra saves are worth any bonus that a half-elf with paladin dilletante would get you. thoughts? madness? genius? i've slightly future-proofed it with 18 levels of cleric incase they ever do a third level of prestige class, and also if i do want to do some sort of (limited) melee, i can actually use swords like celestia without penalty

EDIT : 17 levels of cleric gives 2 level 9 slots, while 18 gives 3 which should be lots. i think i'm TRing tonight!! Smile

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Paladin \ 18 Cleric)
Hit Points: 326
Spell Points: 1710 (2100 with archmagi, greensteel, wis+6...will be high with destinies)
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 12
Will: 29

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)

Strength 10 12
Dexterity 10 12
Constitution 16 19
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 18 31
Charisma 14 18


Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14


Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Paladin Saves Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:58 pm

With what you seem to be looking for (high saves, some melee capability, still healing/caster-capable) the other option would be similar to what I'm doing for my cleric's 3rd life - 18/2 clonk helf with pally dilettante. Saves are still through the roof + evasion from 2 levels of monk.

Currently at lvl 16 without ship buffs and only half-geared (because I'm too lazy and cheap to buy +6 stat gear that I'm only going to shuffle slots around when she hits 20 - she's wearing mostly crafted +5's but 2 GS - SP conc opp and HP) her current stats are:

STR 20
DEX 23
CON 22
INT 10
WIS 32
CHA 26

SP 1453
HP 332

Fort 23
Reflex 18
Will 30

This is all without ship buffs, so add accordingly.

That said, I think that if you want to go with your cleridin (yes I just made that up), tossing 2 feats at Mental Toughness/Improved MT seems kind of a waste. RS + Heal scrolls mean you can save on SP very effectively if you know what you're doing, and by a 3rd cleric life you ought to know what you're doing Razz.

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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:00 pm

great input! i think i will need more than +5 saves from paladin dilletante, but i'll think about it. i wish you were at level 20 so you could tell me if you can ever hit a destruction or implosion vs. those frigging eveningstar drow Smile

iprobably will sub out improved mental toughness once i get above 2400 SP or so, but i like to have it while levelling a build with a splash

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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:01 pm

improved mental toughness lets you take epic mental toughness, and those extra 200sp epic gives you are nice.

I have Cari's wis up to I think 38 without buffs, and I should have it up to 40 soonish with destinies.

I don't think you need the charisma you did, I have Caris at 20something( can't remember atm) and with the pali destiny, she continually recharges 19 turns. which is almost always way more then needed.

Her sp at present is just over 3300, and if I recall her bb dc (without evo) is 37
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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:08 am

i'm not worried about turns (they recharge faster than i can use them)...30 charisma gives me a +10 bonus to saves with 2 classes of paladin and i think that's the real bonus on this build. i'd like to avoid a disintegrate to the face just once Wink
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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:08 pm

Lol, can't say I've ever been disintegrated... so I will take your word for the not fun part Wink
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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:06 pm

ArcaneJill wrote:
With what you seem to be looking for (high saves, some melee capability, still healing/caster-capable) the other option would be similar to what I'm doing for my cleric's 3rd life - 18/2 clonk helf with pally dilettante. Saves are still through the roof + evasion from 2 levels of monk.

Currently at lvl 16 without ship buffs and only half-geared (because I'm too lazy and cheap to buy +6 stat gear that I'm only going to shuffle slots around when she hits 20 - she's wearing mostly crafted +5's but 2 GS - SP conc opp and HP) her current stats are:

STR 20
DEX 23
CON 22
INT 10
WIS 32
CHA 26

SP 1453
HP 332

Fort 23
Reflex 18
Will 30

This is all without ship buffs, so add accordingly.

That said, I think that if you want to go with your cleridin (yes I just made that up), tossing 2 feats at Mental Toughness/Improved MT seems kind of a waste. RS + Heal scrolls mean you can save on SP very effectively if you know what you're doing, and by a 3rd cleric life you ought to know what you're doing Razz.

so i got thinking about it, and with all the bonuses through water stance and being centered and pally dilletante etc etc i think it's pretty close. irritating, i thought i had hit on a gold mine Smile so on your clonk are you trying to do any melee at all and use handwraps? or are you using quarterstaff? and can i use stunning fist with quarterstaff...i'm guessing not but sometimes things work in unusual ways

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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:59 pm

Now that I have BB I don't melee as much. I do have a nice collection of handwraps - lvl 16 Mabar wraps, Vampiric Stonedusts, a banishing set, and a crafted holy/acid burst. Not everything can be kited through BB's. She managed to solo Inferno of the Damned elite at lvl 15 and I was pretty proud of that, made it through the traps (yay evasion!) and everything, and without pots too. I put a bit into the smiting line though so my BB hits decent but certainly nothing exceptional. She would have had an awesome AC as well but since they changed the system, even awesome is fairly mediocre any more.

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tr helf clonk 2
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Cleric)
Hit Points: 327
Spell Points: 1441
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 16
Will: 24

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)

Strength 14 17
Dexterity 14 20
Constitution 14 20
Intelligence 8 11
Wisdom 15 26
Charisma 16 21


Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+6 Tome of Constitution used at level 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)

Balance 2 5
Bluff 3 5
Concentration 2 6
Diplomacy 3 5
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 3 5
Heal 2 10
Hide 2 5
Intimidate 3 5
Jump 2 3
Listen 2 8
Move Silently 2 5
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 0
Spot 2 8
Swim 2 3
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III

Ok so apparently the tomes are screwed up since I made this on an older version of the character planner and then opened it in the newer version. I'm too lazy to fix them all so +1 = 1, +3 = 2, and +6 = 3.

I went just with the tomes she already had, but I now have a +3 chr for her as well.


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PostSubject: Re: improved cleric   improved cleric Icon_minitime1Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:35 pm

Since I have been asked by way too many clerics in raids lately, I figured I'd post Caris gear and how she managed to get 3300

Wis 48
mental toughness, improved mental toughness, epic mental toughness
greensteel sp goggles
seal of house sznid : wizardry ix
cleric energy of the Zealot iv
exalted angel : celestial destiny 3x endless faith
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