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refutor Commoner
Posts : 89 Join date : 2012-03-16
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: improved cleric Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:30 pm | |
| i've ran a few human clerics up to level 20, and i'm trying to improve the caster/healbot for epic elites. my current cleric has 30 charisma which (with two levels of paladin) is +11 to saves...+10 from charisma and +1 from paladin aura. that will make a difference in epic elite. the -2 spell penetration shouldn't make that big of a difference in epic hard, and in epic elite i wouldn't be imploding very much without a bunch of favoured soul/wizard past lives. 18 levels of cleric gets you 2 slots for mass heal and implosion/energy drain. the saves are a big boost and only negative is capstone (which i've never used) and a couple of spell points and level 9 slots. another (unintended) bonus is that PUGs will think you're a battle cleric and immediately hate you i think the extra feat (from human) and the extra saves are worth any bonus that a half-elf with paladin dilletante would get you. thoughts? madness? genius? i've slightly future-proofed it with 18 levels of cleric incase they ever do a third level of prestige class, and also if i do want to do some sort of (limited) melee, i can actually use swords like celestia without penalty EDIT : 17 levels of cleric gives 2 level 9 slots, while 18 gives 3 which should be lots. i think i'm TRing tonight!! Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.01DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (2 Paladin \ 18 Cleric) Hit Points: 326 Spell Points: 1710 (2100 with archmagi, greensteel, wis+6...will be high with destinies) BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 26 Reflex: 12 Will: 29 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)Strength 10 12 Dexterity 10 12 Constitution 16 19 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 18 31 Charisma 14 18Tomes Used+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10 +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14 Level 1 (Cleric)Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing SpellFeat: (Past Life) Past Life: ClericFeat: (Past Life) Past Life: ClericFeat: (Selected) ToughnessLevel 2 (Paladin)Level 3 (Cleric)Feat: (Selected) Mental ToughnessLevel 4 (Cleric)Ability Raise: WISLevel 5 (Cleric)Level 6 (Cleric)Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental ToughnessLevel 7 (Cleric)Level 8 (Cleric)Ability Raise: WISLevel 9 (Cleric)Feat: (Selected) Maximize SpellLevel 10 (Cleric)Level 11 (Cleric)Level 12 (Cleric)Ability Raise: WISFeat: (Selected) Spell Focus: EvocationLevel 13 (Cleric)Level 14 (Paladin)Level 15 (Cleric)Feat: (Selected) Spell PenetrationLevel 16 (Cleric)Ability Raise: WISLevel 17 (Cleric)Level 18 (Cleric)Feat: (Selected) Quicken SpellLevel 19 (Cleric)Level 20 (Cleric)Ability Raise: WISEnhancement: Paladin Saves Boost IEnhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant IEnhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant IIEnhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom IEnhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution IEnhancement: Human Improved Recovery IEnhancement: Paladin Focus of Good IEnhancement: Racial Toughness IEnhancement: Racial Toughness IIEnhancement: Racial Toughness IIIEnhancement: Improved Heal IEnhancement: Improved Heal IIEnhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting IEnhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life IEnhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting IEnhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life IEnhancement: Cleric Smiting IEnhancement: Cleric Smiting IIEnhancement: Cleric Smiting IIIEnhancement: Cleric Life Magic IEnhancement: Cleric Life Magic IIEnhancement: Cleric Life Magic IIIEnhancement: Cleric Life Magic IVEnhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration IEnhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IEnhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IIEnhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IIIEnhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IVEnhancement: Cleric Charisma IEnhancement: Cleric Charisma IIEnhancement: Cleric Wisdom IEnhancement: Cleric Wisdom IIEnhancement: Cleric Wisdom IIIEnhancement: Paladin Toughness IEnhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality IEnhancement: Cleric Improved Turning IEnhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IEnhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
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| | | ArcaneJill Admin
Posts : 490 Join date : 2010-09-13 Age : 43
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:58 pm | |
| With what you seem to be looking for (high saves, some melee capability, still healing/caster-capable) the other option would be similar to what I'm doing for my cleric's 3rd life - 18/2 clonk helf with pally dilettante. Saves are still through the roof + evasion from 2 levels of monk. Currently at lvl 16 without ship buffs and only half-geared (because I'm too lazy and cheap to buy +6 stat gear that I'm only going to shuffle slots around when she hits 20 - she's wearing mostly crafted +5's but 2 GS - SP conc opp and HP) her current stats are: STR 20 DEX 23 CON 22 INT 10 WIS 32 CHA 26 SP 1453 HP 332 Fort 23 Reflex 18 Will 30 This is all without ship buffs, so add accordingly. That said, I think that if you want to go with your cleridin (yes I just made that up), tossing 2 feats at Mental Toughness/Improved MT seems kind of a waste. RS + Heal scrolls mean you can save on SP very effectively if you know what you're doing, and by a 3rd cleric life you ought to know what you're doing . | |
| | | refutor Commoner
Posts : 89 Join date : 2012-03-16
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:00 pm | |
| great input! i think i will need more than +5 saves from paladin dilletante, but i'll think about it. i wish you were at level 20 so you could tell me if you can ever hit a destruction or implosion vs. those frigging eveningstar drow iprobably will sub out improved mental toughness once i get above 2400 SP or so, but i like to have it while levelling a build with a splash Refutor | |
| | | Bellz Knight
Posts : 1166 Join date : 2010-09-19 Location : in a galexy far far away or Khyber... or stuck at work dreaming of Hawaii
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: Baker
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:01 pm | |
| improved mental toughness lets you take epic mental toughness, and those extra 200sp epic gives you are nice.
I have Cari's wis up to I think 38 without buffs, and I should have it up to 40 soonish with destinies.
I don't think you need the charisma you did, I have Caris at 20something( can't remember atm) and with the pali destiny, she continually recharges 19 turns. which is almost always way more then needed.
Her sp at present is just over 3300, and if I recall her bb dc (without evo) is 37 | |
| | | refutor Commoner
Posts : 89 Join date : 2012-03-16
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:08 am | |
| i'm not worried about turns (they recharge faster than i can use them)...30 charisma gives me a +10 bonus to saves with 2 classes of paladin and i think that's the real bonus on this build. i'd like to avoid a disintegrate to the face just once | |
| | | Bellz Knight
Posts : 1166 Join date : 2010-09-19 Location : in a galexy far far away or Khyber... or stuck at work dreaming of Hawaii
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: Baker
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:08 pm | |
| Lol, can't say I've ever been disintegrated... so I will take your word for the not fun part | |
| | | refutor Commoner
Posts : 89 Join date : 2012-03-16
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:06 pm | |
| - ArcaneJill wrote:
- With what you seem to be looking for (high saves, some melee capability, still healing/caster-capable) the other option would be similar to what I'm doing for my cleric's 3rd life - 18/2 clonk helf with pally dilettante. Saves are still through the roof + evasion from 2 levels of monk.
Currently at lvl 16 without ship buffs and only half-geared (because I'm too lazy and cheap to buy +6 stat gear that I'm only going to shuffle slots around when she hits 20 - she's wearing mostly crafted +5's but 2 GS - SP conc opp and HP) her current stats are:
STR 20 DEX 23 CON 22 INT 10 WIS 32 CHA 26
SP 1453 HP 332
Fort 23 Reflex 18 Will 30
This is all without ship buffs, so add accordingly.
That said, I think that if you want to go with your cleridin (yes I just made that up), tossing 2 feats at Mental Toughness/Improved MT seems kind of a waste. RS + Heal scrolls mean you can save on SP very effectively if you know what you're doing, and by a 3rd cleric life you ought to know what you're doing . so i got thinking about it, and with all the bonuses through water stance and being centered and pally dilletante etc etc i think it's pretty close. irritating, i thought i had hit on a gold mine so on your clonk are you trying to do any melee at all and use handwraps? or are you using quarterstaff? and can i use stunning fist with quarterstaff...i'm guessing not but sometimes things work in unusual ways Refutor | |
| | | ArcaneJill Admin
Posts : 490 Join date : 2010-09-13 Age : 43
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: None
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:59 pm | |
| Now that I have BB I don't melee as much. I do have a nice collection of handwraps - lvl 16 Mabar wraps, Vampiric Stonedusts, a banishing set, and a crafted holy/acid burst. Not everything can be kited through BB's. She managed to solo Inferno of the Damned elite at lvl 15 and I was pretty proud of that, made it through the traps (yay evasion!) and everything, and without pots too. I put a bit into the smiting line though so my BB hits decent but certainly nothing exceptional. She would have had an awesome AC as well but since they changed the system, even awesome is fairly mediocre any more.
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page
tr helf clonk 2 Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female (2 Monk \ 18 Cleric) Hit Points: 327 Spell Points: 1441 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 21 Reflex: 16 Will: 24
Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 17 Dexterity 14 20 Constitution 14 20 Intelligence 8 11 Wisdom 15 26 Charisma 16 21
Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +6 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 2 5 Bluff 3 5 Concentration 2 6 Diplomacy 3 5 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 3 5 Heal 2 10 Hide 2 5 Intimidate 3 5 Jump 2 3 Listen 2 8 Move Silently 2 5 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 2 8 Swim 2 3 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a
Level 1 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Enhancement: Improved Heal I Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Level 4 (Cleric) Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Level 5 (Cleric) Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning Enhancement: Improved Heal II Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Level 7 (Cleric) Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Level 8 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Level 10 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Level 11 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Level 12 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Level 13 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Level 14 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Level 15 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Level 16 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Level 17 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Level 18 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might III
Level 19 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Level 20 (Cleric) Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
Ok so apparently the tomes are screwed up since I made this on an older version of the character planner and then opened it in the newer version. I'm too lazy to fix them all so +1 = 1, +3 = 2, and +6 = 3.
I went just with the tomes she already had, but I now have a +3 chr for her as well.
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| | | Bellz Knight
Posts : 1166 Join date : 2010-09-19 Location : in a galexy far far away or Khyber... or stuck at work dreaming of Hawaii
Character sheet DDO character: Cleric RK Profession: Baker
| Subject: Re: improved cleric Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:35 pm | |
| Since I have been asked by way too many clerics in raids lately, I figured I'd post Caris gear and how she managed to get 3300
Wis 48 mental toughness, improved mental toughness, epic mental toughness greensteel sp goggles seal of house sznid : wizardry ix cleric energy of the Zealot iv exalted angel : celestial destiny 3x endless faith | |
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