Ftr 18/Rogue 2 half elf - possible next life for Zillee

So, I've ground out enough favor to be able to afford the half elf race. And ... I fancied something slightly different to the pure fighter build. Not sure, still messing about and reading up on stuff.

Any glaring errors of stuff to change, please say.

Not all that sure what is possible with the helf but went for the cleric dilletante and took all the enhancements in that.

The rogue splash is for sneak attack and evasion (no more heavy armor for you, Zillee!) but again, not a rogue expert so shout out if I've missed the obvious.

Health points should hit around the 650 mark at lvl 20 (including ship buffs, items etc).

Meh, I'll probably chicken out and just do a pure fighter again but focus on getting the tactics super sharp. Still, got a few days to muse it over.

This build will be bumped up from lvl 8 to lvl 16 via stone of xp!

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zilleeTR2.1
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(18 Fighter / 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 410
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 19/19/24/29/29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 10
Will: 8

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 18 26 30
Dexterity 10 12 12
Constitution 16 19 19
Intelligence 10 12 12
Wisdom 13 15 15
Charisma 9 12 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 4 19 19
Bluff -1 1 4
Concentration 3 4 7
Diplomacy -1 1 4
Disable Device 4 5 5
Haggle -1 1 1
Heal 1 2 2
Hide 0 1 1
Intimidate -1 1 4
Jump 4 10 10
Listen 1 2 2
Move Silently 4 5 5
Open Lock 4 5 5
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 0 1 1
Search 4 5 5
Spot 5 6 6
Swim 4 10 10
Tumble 4 5 5
Use Magic Device 3 24 24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding

Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip

Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge

Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow

Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge

Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder

Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+8)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion

Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting

Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 18 (Fiighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Hmm, you could dump WIS on that one I think. Don't think it is necessary on your build.

Mmmm yeah ... a 13 wis is needed for the cleric dilly on the helf, but maybe I could start it with 11 and then get the cleric dilly at lvl 9 when the +2 wis tome kicks in. Not really going to be needing the cleric dilly before then, especially if I'm doing the lvl jumping to 16.

Not sure where I'd put the extra two points ... probably intel for some more skill points, or charisma to help the umd a bit more.

ah ok, was wondering what it was for. Smile

what exactly will cleric dilly get? wand use? i never understood it exactly

Cleric Dillymakes you a level 10 cleric in terms of wands and scrolls so it gives you a basically no fail heal scroll chance at lvl 15 Smile

(well 95%) - it's totally awesome sauce if you are just going for a past life in a particular class because it allows you to be pretty self-sufficient! ... oh and of course you can use raise dead scrolls. I've loved it on Jack's last two lives!

The thing with dillies is that you have to choose them at lvl 1 I think... not sure if you can progress to the next level without choosing a feat at all :s

You get 1D6 sneak attack at lvl 1 rogue and 2D6 sneak attack at lvl 3, it could be worth considering taking 3 rogue levels... although I udnerstand that you'll miss out on the 3rd tier of your kensai PrE.

ah 95% heal scroll?

thats pretty sweet indeed. hmmm now im thinking of some builds.. Razz

Zogdor wrote:: Cleric Dillymakes you a level 10 cleric in terms of wands and scrolls so it gives you a basically no fail heal scroll chance at lvl 15 (well 95%) - it's totally awesome sauce if you are just going for a past life in a particular class because it allows you to be pretty self-sufficient! ... oh and of course you can use raise dead scrolls. I've loved it on Jack's last two lives!

The thing with dillies is that you have to choose them at lvl 1 I think... not sure if you can progress to the next level without choosing a feat at all :s

You get 1D6 sneak attack at lvl 1 rogue and 2D6 sneak attack at lvl 3, it could be worth considering taking 3 rogue levels... although I udnerstand that you'll miss out on the 3rd tier of your kensai PrE.

Mmm, yeah, I think I need to decide if I want to sit at 20 for a while or TR straight away again. If its the latter then the 3rd kensai tier is kind moot and a third lvl of rogue could work nicely.

Good point on the timing for taking the dilly - yup, so 13 wis it shall be. As far as I can see, helfs are great for TRs but may be a bit of a compromise on points if you were doing a first lifer unless the classes have some synergy.

I had also considered going pure fighter with a rogue dilly, but I may leave that for the final eventual life when she's all about the tactics (as a fighter should be ^^ )

Oooooooh ... almost bought helf last night but forgot in the haze of messing around with greensteel and other stuff. Glad I didn't as races and classes are on 50% sale next week. That woulda made me unhappy if I'd bought it already. The grind for favor/TPs is getting to be très dull.

Still mulling the build over. Doubting the rogue levels now as I'm pretty sure I won't want to TR again straight after this one - and would rather be pure fighter if I'm sticking at lvl 20 for a while. Will still go helf though for the cleric dilly. Or rogue dilly and buy a shit load of SF pots to see me through the upper lvls.

I'll be meandering around this until the 13th and then likely will make a snap decision. Hahaha rendeer

For my ref, paladin18/rogue2 for Zillee's next few TRs. Just wanting the heal amp so will not be lingering into epic lvls for too long. Might do some barb lifes after this, or a couple monks, before eventually returning to fighter.

364
Spell Points: 205

BAB: 19/19/24/2929
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 18
Will: 16

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 18 26 26
Dexterity 12 14 14
Constitution 16 19 19
Intelligence 9 12 12
Wisdom 8 10 10
Charisma 13 16 16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 5 9 9
Bluff 1 3 3
Concentration 5 27 27
Diplomacy 1 3 3
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 1 3 3
Heal -1 0 0
Hide 1 2 2
Intimidate 1 3 3
Jump 8 12 12
Listen -1 0 0
Move Silently 5 6 6
Open Lock 5 11 11
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair -1 1 1
Search -1 1 1
Spot 3 4 4
Swim 4 8 8
Tumble 5 6 6
Use Magic Device 5 26 26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Marttial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I

Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I

Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I

Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I

Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I

Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I

Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II

Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion III

Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II

Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III

Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion IV

Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II

Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II

Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III

Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III

Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty

Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III

Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III

i think a better splash to get a paladin past life is 10 monk/10 paladin. get your 10 levels of monk and kick some @$$...but that's just me Smile

for the 18 fighter/2 rogue is the reflex high enough ot make it worthwhile (with 8 or 10 dex or whatever you start with)? i'm thinking about doing something similar going forwards as i have marilith chain (light armor) which i was intending to use on my druid life, but apparently marilith scales are closer to metal than a druid would like.

I didn't go with the 18 ftr/2 rog in the end, so no idea, sorry!

10 monk/10 pally sounds interesting. Got a link to a build? It feels like I'm running thru sludge at the moment on this pally/rog build. Finding it hard to get motivated to play her. The pally boosts are stupid and need constant monitoring and mashing for little benefit. The thought of doing more lives with this build is making my eyes cross, unless it gets better at higher lvls. Still not got to the first million of xp.

Beth wrote:: ...

10 monk/10 pally sounds interesting. Got a link to a build?

....

not particularly...my idea basically is (assuming you have monk gear - frozen tunic lvl 14, wraps from coin lords chain, etc.) take the 10 monk levels, play it as a monk, add the paladin levels as you go (my idea was dark monk and DOS taking diehard as a shared requirement feat). the DOS gives extra strength and CON (and the monk speed bonuses counter the slow down) so i think it's golden.

Craig

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