Character build itch

Need some feedback on my itch so.. will spam here

My own thoughts: Tomes would be awesome if they wouldn't be so damn expensive. If a +2 tome would be really helpful I could get a few from the store but how good of a choice would that be?

I got toughness feat a couple of times (3) because I couldn't think of much else and this one seems to need a bit health.
Valge is currently on lvl 8 so its not a starter character but for a reincarnation.

Any feedback? I won't post this on the main DDO forum because that would be too scary

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Valge
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Human Female
(8 Rogue / 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 224
Spell Points: 115

BAB: 18/18/23/2828
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 21
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 17
Dexterity 16 24
Constitution 15 16
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 25
Bluff -1 -1
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy -1 -1
Disable Device 5 27
Haggle 3 20
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 7
Intimidate -1 -1
Jump 7 20
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 3 7
Open Lock 7 33
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 28
Spot 3 26
Swim 7 7
Tumble 7 11
Use Magic Device 3 22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Improved Search I
Enhancement: Improved Spot I

Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I

Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Auttomatic) Diehard
Enhancement: Human Versatility II

Level 5 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Improved Search II
Enhancement: Improved Spot II

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II

Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Human Versatility III

Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Improved Search III
Enhancement: Improved Spot III

Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV

Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II

Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I

Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 16 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III

Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Enhancement: Ranger Extra Action Boost I

Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Improved Search IV
Enhancement: Improved Spot IV

Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense III

Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock III

Personal thoughts... Anto knows far more about rangers than I do and Bella knows more about rogues so I'm sure they'll have better feedback.

Put 2 points from wisdom into intelligence. You need 12 (I think) wisdom for ranger spells but you can get a +wisdom item and be fine by the time you're up to that level.

Take Greater Two Weapon Fighting since it looks like you're aiming for a TWF (you'll get Improved TWF at Ranger lvl 6).

I would recommend Ochre Oooze Cream for the Itch

I made a Drow Thief today (sorry Zog to replace you)

They get 2 weapon fighting straight up

Tod

That's ok Tod, we all know that you love running ahead and getting into trouble

You'd probably make a great thief

Zogdor wrote:

That's ok Tod, we all know that you love running ahead and getting into trouble

You'd probably make a great thief

Or trap finder:)

On the build, One point i see is at level 20 you have 17 str and 15 constitution. Odd numbers do not help you in your stats (unless of course you have an enhancement item with an odd number (ie str +3), so you may be better off with 16 con and 16 str, you get a bonus because the con is an even number and you wont lose any str bonus because 17 and 16 have the same bonus.

Bella would know better than me , but if I remember correctly a thief with an int 12 will have dificulty in the higher level dungeons, someone mentioned to me that some quest you need a 24 int, but I can remember why( could have been a ruin or something), anyways my 2 cents.

what are you trying to do with it? took some melee feats but, not sure how good this build could melee without sacrificing high level traps.

few quick things:
dont take toughness at lvl 3, switch your spring attack there. toughness at lvl 3 only gives you like 5 HP more at that lvl, while spring attack really helps instantly.

trade bastard swords for khopesh. i took bastard sword, but wish i took khopesh.

throw in an improved critical: slashing somewhere

put wisdom at 8, you will only ever need 13 wisdom with this build to cast all your spells. a +5 or +6 item will do the trick. i would put those 2 into con or int

not sure how well a 12/8 will work tho, sounds difficult

I have nothing to say with this post.......

I would ditch favored enemy elemental in favor of giant or construct. There aren't enough elementals around to justify it. IIRC, mephits don't count as elementals, but as neutral outsiders.


Toughness is probably wasted feats, IMHO. You're a light skirmisher, not a tank. Better to use those slots for combat feats.


I think maybe you might want to look at the exploiter build for ideas too. Kind of the same idea of what your are trying to do, I think

There are only really elementals in House K at the moment, however, as you go up the levels, they're everywhere

Trying to remember where...

Air and fire elementals in the Demon Sands and the GH raid. I think there are some fire elementals in chains of flame. Water elementals in the end fight in the last quest of the Sentinals. Some unigue earth elementals in the f2p quest in 12 enclave. Oh, and that Gnoll quest in the Vale of twilight


I say constructs becuase of the need the need to beat portals.

I think you can dump some more rog levels in favor of ranger levels. Rangers get enough skill points, and you have a high enough int, so you can stay up with your thief skills. THe exploter build manages with only one level of rog IIRC

Yea there alot of fire elementals in the quest in house K, down the ladder near the bridge by the auctioneer, i believe it is a level 5 quest, level 5 my ass, like proof is in the poison, you need to be 5 levels above quest to finish it.

Zakku wrote:

I have nothing to say with this post.......

I do, but it revolves around me (doesn't everything??? )

I was toying with making a Half Orc (had wanted to for a while) but they are expensive! Dee and another person were discussing Favored Souls, so I think I may try my hand at one of them. They are cheaper, and still sound very interesting.

I want to make a new toon because I am luring my brother away from WoW over Thanksgiving weekend. He wanted to start DDO and run as noobs together.

I'd replace the toughness feats with weapon focus slashing, power critical, and improved critical slashing.

Thank you all for your feedback

I added the automatic given feats too.

I moved over points from wisdom to constitution. Human adadability enhancement gives two extra stats but not the same. That's why the numbers were uneven. Strength is still uneven. I'll live with that I guess.

Intelligence gives extra skills and extra base in disable and search. If I increased intelligence to 14, I'd get +1 in disable and search... Otherwise disable should be 50-something with buffs for most stuff?

Not sure how outdated this is
Is my (insert rogue skill) high enough

Maybe I won't be able to disable all mean traps but I guess with buffs and some equipment... bleh.. This is at least something closer to what I'd enjoy playing XD
Maybe I'll regret later that I won't take +5 extra in 2 feats for disable device, I dunno.. will see.

Both rouge and ranger have nice enhancements at those levels, in my opinion, so adding/losing a level of each would not be good.

(and I'm unhappy about the distributions of enhancements but those are easier to change later on, not sure what I like but I know I don't like TOO many clickys)

TheRedChef wrote:

I'd replace the toughness feats with weapon focus slashing, power critical, and improved critical slashing.

dont take power critical, myself i have to switch the feat from my fighter because its just a waste

a seeker item (aka bloodstone) adds to damage and your critical confirms; while power critical only adds to critical confirms.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=284279

der_kluge wrote:

Just to clarify.

When you hit a monster, you roll a d20 and add in your attack bonus. Let's say this is +15. In order to determine a hit, you have to overcome the monster's armor class. Let's say this is 20.

Let's say you're using a longsword. Which crits on a roll of 19 or 20.

You need to roll a 5 or better to his this monster. Since 5+15 = 20, which is the minimum you'd need to score a hit.

In order to crit, you need to roll a 19 or 20. If you roll a 19 or 20, you have threatened -this is the P&P term used. You now have to CONFIRM the critical. Again, this is a P&P term. The way this works in game terms, is you now have to roll *again*, and if this confirm roll HITS the monster, you confirm the critical.

So, in game play:
You roll a 10, you hit the monster. End of round.

You roll a 4, you miss. You need at least a 5 to hit. End of round.

You roll a 19. Possible crit. Roll again. You roll a 2. You did not confirm the critical. This is a normal hit. End of round.

You roll a 20. Possible crit. Roll again. You roll a 7. You hit the monster, since at least a 5 scores a hit. This hit is a critical hit.

Power Critical is not very useful because you already hit 75% of the time anyway. It doesn't *improve* your chance of getting a critical. All it does is improve the chance to confirm a threaten - which you're already doing most of the time, anyway.

So I'd be better off taking skill focus disable device and nimble hands (+2 disable device +2 open lock)? instead of weapon focus slashing (which was 'only' +1 attack) and power critical?